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alcesverdes) wrote2007-08-16 12:46 pm
alcesverdes) wrote2007-08-16 12:46 pm
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Superheroes and drama (not that sort of drama)
* Un número creciente de terapeutas recomiendan algo sorprendente para los pacientes deprimidos y quienes sufren de ansiedad: lea un libro. - La idea per se me agrada, a pesar de lo mucho que me molestan los libros de autoayuda (aún los recomendados por los especialistas... no, ESPECIALMENTE los recomendados por especialistas >w<), aunque tal vez yo sugeriría audiolibros más que el formato impreso.
* Author Stephen King was mistaken for a vandal when he started signing books during an unannounced visit to a shop in Australia, according to local media. - Now I want to be a famous author just to do this sort of things. XD
* You know? I read "I used to love X character, but her fangirls made me hate her" or some variation just too often, so I end up terrified of going near any fandom because I enjoy liking what I like (otherwise I wouldn't like it, but that's pretty much obvious, I think) and I don't want to stop. :/
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telrunya made me watch Gintama. I've watched up to episode three. It is crack and I like the premise of a pre-Bakumatsu Japan being invaded by aliens. Also, the protagonist seems addicted to Shonen Jump and wants a bankai. And what's his sword made of? Oo;; Why in the world the damn, wooden thing can break metallic buildings?
* I'm (finally) reading Watchmen. I'm on issue number three and, among other things, it's making me think of a conversation I had not-that-long-ago with someone whose identity is not that important. What matters is that we were talking about Heroes and it turned out that the reason why I like the show is the exact same reason why he doesn't: the drama.
What he likes, he says, is the story to begin with action, with the superheroes coming and do superheroic stuff, saving the day with their special abilities, the less of a struggle --either physically or morally-- the better.
In other words, he doesn't like to have them coming down and being more human and I usually can't stand them when they're up there. I feel they're practically impossible to relate to if they at least don't question themselves 'why me?', for example. Or at least once in their lives consider there are other things they can do with their superpowers besides helping people and nothing more. Just that, consider it, even if they never stop helping.
There's a reason I like Batman better than Superman, and Donald Duck better than Mickey Mouse.
It has to do a lot with characterization and character growth, with endless continuity, with McCarthyism, and with many of the things I said in my post about Mary Sues --which remains untranslated to English. :D
I could go teal deer on this, but I'm lazy and Umberto Eco said it better in his essay about Superman.
* Author Stephen King was mistaken for a vandal when he started signing books during an unannounced visit to a shop in Australia, according to local media. - Now I want to be a famous author just to do this sort of things. XD
* You know? I read "I used to love X character, but her fangirls made me hate her" or some variation just too often, so I end up terrified of going near any fandom because I enjoy liking what I like (otherwise I wouldn't like it, but that's pretty much obvious, I think) and I don't want to stop. :/
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telrunya made me watch Gintama. I've watched up to episode three. It is crack and I like the premise of a pre-Bakumatsu Japan being invaded by aliens. Also, the protagonist seems addicted to Shonen Jump and wants a bankai. And what's his sword made of? Oo;; Why in the world the damn, wooden thing can break metallic buildings?* I'm (finally) reading Watchmen. I'm on issue number three and, among other things, it's making me think of a conversation I had not-that-long-ago with someone whose identity is not that important. What matters is that we were talking about Heroes and it turned out that the reason why I like the show is the exact same reason why he doesn't: the drama.
What he likes, he says, is the story to begin with action, with the superheroes coming and do superheroic stuff, saving the day with their special abilities, the less of a struggle --either physically or morally-- the better.
In other words, he doesn't like to have them coming down and being more human and I usually can't stand them when they're up there. I feel they're practically impossible to relate to if they at least don't question themselves 'why me?', for example. Or at least once in their lives consider there are other things they can do with their superpowers besides helping people and nothing more. Just that, consider it, even if they never stop helping.
There's a reason I like Batman better than Superman, and Donald Duck better than Mickey Mouse.
It has to do a lot with characterization and character growth, with endless continuity, with McCarthyism, and with many of the things I said in my post about Mary Sues --which remains untranslated to English. :D
I could go teal deer on this, but I'm lazy and Umberto Eco said it better in his essay about Superman.
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The whole 'hate characters used to like because of fangirls' is really a shame, that's why I abandoned the KKM fandom before I started hating Wolfram BECAUSE I LOVE HIM SO SO MUCH.
I agree with the superheroes thing. I like them more humans like in Heroes, that's why I don't like Superman and Smallville is crap that sometimes isn't thaaaaat bad so...
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About Supes, he has his role as a modern myth and all, but I can't stand it. And Smallville got far too emo. D:
Damn copyright issues and their not bringing Bruce to the party. Dx I'd watch it again if there were the possibility of Bruce/Lex/Clark. XD *runs*
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3) It can also go the other way. Being in fandom may make you see characters in other ways. But yes, for me it's mostly pairings but stupidity tarnishes things.
5) Well, it's the difference between escapism and (let's use the term badly) literature. The pink coloured version of reality vs. the one with more colour.
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3) I'm torn, actually. But lately I've seen that particular phrase too much.
5) I don't think escapism is bad by itself. My problem is that I can't connect with what you call the pink version. :p
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5) For me, there is good escapism and bad escapism.
For example, my current love of doramas is not exactly because of their gritty realism. XP
I tend to appreciate 'real' characters who struggle and make mistakes, even if they live in Roseyland and everything ends perfectly well.
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I've LIVED the hating-characters-because-of-fangirls. Same with pairings. It's awful D:
I understand superheroes are not realistic stories, and that's why most of them aren't developed as normal humans. But yeah, if they don't have psychological conflicts, you just can't understand them. Some prefer them to be perfect -or that, if they do have conflict, it can be easily solved or ir's a side-plot that can be set aside (for instance, love interest prefering the hero identity). Me, I like them not only with conflicts, but also with defined personalities.
And this is random, but I've always wanted to see a hero who'd have to deal with stuff like failing an exam or having problems at work (because s/he had to level up urgently or stopping aliens/meteors) and had no time to study/do stuff by the deadline, or being told by the police for making them look bad, or being late because s/he was on a date or having sex and didn't want to leave, or discovering his/her fans' presence on the Internet. It'd be LOL.
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Agreed. His pokar face is so amusing. And he seems rather... psychotic? I don't know, but it's highly intriguing.
I've LIVED the hating-characters-because-of-fangirls. Same with pairings. It's awful D:
Yeah. :/ I'm happy with what I like, but there's too much stupid in fandom.
And, because I hit the post button too soon...
Otherwise, you end up seeing the same character over and over and over again. Not only boring, but the urge to kick a couple of producers/writers grows and grows... >.>;;
About the sort of superhero you want to read, the closest thing it comes to me is Spiderman. *not that good in superhero lore*
But I know a protagonist like that: Harry Dresden, from The Dresden Files, particularly the bookverse. The poor man sometimes doesn't have where to drop dead. ^^U
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On the other hand... I get where he's coming from, because I feel like that with *other* genres. All those forensic shows, for example. I'm there for the science and the mystery and the geeky comments. I like to have characters that aren't just cardboard, but I don't need to know about their personal lives - I want them to solve the crime, period. That's why I got bored of CSI as soon as people started dating each other. @_@
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Reposted because I can't count. Sorry for the spam. D:
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I've seen about half a dozen episodes of CSI (not much because I suck at remembering the time the shows are on; that's why I download my tv from the net ^^U) and I've to agree with you. I didn't even need to know the names of the characters to enjoy the crime solving. XD
If I don't hate *Legolas* by this point, no annoying fangirls can get to me, heh...
LOL! But you're rigth. XD Right and zen, I'd say.
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more or less.But, for example, I like to relate to the characters involved in the crime. That's why I love me some nice Agatha Christie: those characters are people.
Sobre gustos no hay nada escrito, I guess.
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I like dynamic characters most of the time, yes, but sometimes I also like it when I know the status quo will never ever change. Obvious example: Star Trek! ;P I've heard a lot of people mention that series with longer character arcs are better than series that "reset" every week, but I think there's a place for both.
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But series with continuity BUT unchanging characters tend to annoy me. Ross should know a little better nine seasons later, you know?
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Yesss. I think the series that bother me the most are the ones that can't decide which kind they are.
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